MRS E M CARSON, Sworn In For The State, 61st To Testify

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MRS. E. M. CARSON, sworn for the Defendant.

I worked at the pencil factory three years. Rebecca Carson is my

daughter. I am a widow. I have seen blood spots around the ladies'

dressing room three or four times. I was at the factory Friday morning.

I left about 12:45. I saw Jim Conley on Tuesday, after the murder. He was sweeping around my table, I said, "Well, Jim, they haven't got you yet," and he says, "NO." On Wednesday I said the same thing and he answered the same thing. On Thursday when I said that to him again he said, "No, I ain't done nothing. " I said, "Jim, you know Mr. Frank never did that," and he says, "No, Mr. Frank is as innocent as you is, and I know you is." I said, "Jim, whenever they find the murderer of Mary Phagan it's going to be that nigger that was sitting near the elevator when Mrs. White went upstairs. " He laid his broom down then

and went out. I could not believe Conley on oath.

CROSS EXAMINATION.

My daughter and I work on the fourth floor. Mr. Frank was up on

the fourth floor Tuesday between nine and eleven o'clock. Everybody in

the department was around there at that time. I don't know whether

any of them heard-the conversation between me and Mr. Frank then. I

saw both Mr. Frank and Jim Conley on the fourth floor on Tuesday. I

did not see Mr. Frank whisper to Conley. Mr. Frank never said a word

to any of us about sticking to him. He said it was a deplorable thing little

Mary being killed. I have seen blood in the dressing room around the

lockers and some around the mirror. I have seen girls up there mash

their fingers on the machines. I have seen blood in the sink in the toilet

room and on the machines where they cut their fingers. I saw a spot as

big as my hand sometime last year on the fourth floor near a garbage

can. It looked like blood to me. I have seen spots about as big as my

finger, different spots up on the fourth floor. I have seen girls once or

twice come in with their fingers mashed come into the toilet room and go

to the sink after they had mashed their fingers. I don't know when I

heard that Mrs. White said that she had seen a negro sitting on the box.

I think I read it in the paper sometime that week. The big spot of blood

I was talking about was occasioned by the girls whose sickness was on

them. I have never seen Mr. Frank or anybody else have anybody down

at the office at any time drinking beer or doing anything of the sort. I

did not go down and see blood on second floor near dressing room.